Episode 236 – What will it take for Al Shabaab to stop posing a significant threat to Somalia?
If you believe the Somali government, the Al Qaeda (AQ)-linked Al Shabaab terrorist group is all but dead. The army regularly issues claims that a dozen are dead here, ten there in an airstrike, the list goes on and on. If all these are true, and independent verification is next to impossible, then Al Shabaab is finally on the cusp of defeat after two decades of terrorist activity in Somalia and the surrounding area. So, what is really happening? I talk to an Al Shabaab specialist to get the real story.
About my guest
Stig Jarle Hansen is currently a visiting researcher at the Centre for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute. His research is at the intersection between recruitment to radical groups, crime and security politics, and he has conducted extensive work in East Africa, the horn of Africa, and the Arab peninsula. His 2013 book was entitled Al-Shabaab in Somalia: The History and Ideology of a Militant Islamist Group. He has been an expert commenter for a variety of global media including CNN, NBC, LA Times, New York Times, Al Jazeera, Radio France International, Reuters, Der Spiegel, Chinese CCTV4 and BBC and others.
Canadian Intelligence Eh
In a world of multiple voices and opinions it can be very hard to know where to turn. One choice is to look to those who actually worked in counter-terrorism in the national security world.
In these half-hour podcasts, 30-year Canadian intelligence veteran Phil Gurski is joined by a fascinating array of individuals with something meaningful to say about these issues as they provide insight into what they mean and what we need to do about them.
About Phil Gurski
Phil worked as a senior strategic analyst at CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) from 2001-2015, specializing in violent Islamist-inspired homegrown terrorism and radicalisation. From 1983 to 2001 he was employed as a senior multilingual analyst at Communications Security Establishment (CSE – Canada’s signals intelligence agency), specialising in the Middle East. He also served as senior special advisor in the National Security Directorate at Public Safety Canada from 2013, focusing on community outreach and training on radicalisation to violence, until his retirement from the civil service in May 2015, and as consultant for the Ontario Provincial Police’s Anti-Terrorism Section (PATS) from May to October 2015.
He was the Director of Security and Intelligence at the SecDev Group from June 2018 to July 2019 and the Director of the National Security Programme at the University of Ottawa’s Professional Development Institute from 2020-2022. He has also taught on national security issues at George Brown College, the University of Ottawa and Georgian College. Mr. Gurski has presented on violent Islamist-inspired and other forms of terrorism and radicalisation across Canada and around the world and is actively sought by Canadian and international media on national security and intelligence issues. He has written hundreds of op-eds on these matters for several Canadian media since 2016
He writes at www.borealisthreatandrisk.com.
He is the author of The Threat from Within: Recognizing Al Qaeda-inspired Radicalization and Terrorism in the West (Rowman and Littlefield 2015) Western Foreign Fighters: The Threat to Homeland and International Security (Rowman and Littlefield 2017), The Lesser Jihads: Taking the Islamist fight to the world (Rowman and Littlefield 2017), An end to the ‘War on Terrorism (Rowman and Littlefield 2018), When Religion Kills: How Extremist Justify Violence Through Faith (Lynne Rienner 2019) and The Peaceable Kingdom? A history of terrorism in Canada from Confederation to the present (self-published: 2021, republished by Double Dagger in 2022). He regularly blogs and podcasts (Canadian Intelligence Eh!), and tweets (@borealissaves) on terrorism and intelligence matters.
