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What is Hizb-ut-Tahrir and why did the UK list it as a terrorist organisation?

You would think that a government would list terrorist groups for specific reasons (prosecution among them). Is it as easy as all that?

Episode 207 – Are terrorist listings a good idea?

The idea of creating a ‘list’ of terrorist groups may seem like a strange one. Governments had had several attempts at doing so: here in Canada we did not have one until after 9/11. Given that most of us know what a terrorist group is (if it walks, talks and quacks like a terrorist…), what is the point? What are the implications. The UK recently listed Hizb-ut-Tahrir (HuT) as one such entity, despite the fact it has been around for decades. What gives? A chat with a former HuT member

Hizb ut-Tahrir – ISD (

About my guest

Rashad Ali is a Resident Senior Fellow at the UK-based Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD) where he is a counter terrorism practitioner who works on deradicalisation initiatives alongside Prisons, Probation Services, Police and community groups. He was formerly a national leadership member of Hizb ut-Tahrir, the revolutionary Islamist organisation and has been actively involved in undermining its extreme ideology and perversion of Muslim faith since his departure. He is classically trained in Islamic theology and jurisprudence and Modern studies in Islam. He studied at al-Azhar University, Cairo, and the Markfield Institute.


In a world of multiple voices and opinions it can be very hard to know where to turn.  One choice is to look to those who actually worked in counter-terrorism in the national security world. In these half-hour podcasts, 30-year Canadian intelligence veteran Phil Gurski is joined by a fascinating array of individuals with something meaningful to say about these issues as they provide insight into what they mean and what we need to do about them. 

About Phil Gurski 

Phil Gurski is the President and CEO of Borealis Threat and Risk Consulting Ltd. He worked as a senior strategic analyst at CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) from 2001-2015, specialising in violent Islamist-inspired homegrown terrorism and radicalisation. He is the author of six books on terrorism, including the most recent The Peaceable Kingdom: A history of terrorism in Canada from Confederation to the present

By Phil Gurski

Phil Gurski is the President and CEO of Borealis Threat and Risk Consulting Ltd. Phil is a 32-year veteran of CSE and CSIS and the author of six books on terrorism.